No. With white people as the standard of beauty already, any individual’s fascination or obsession with white people sexually is not a fetish. The black guys I know that only want to fuck white girls do it because they’re ignorant about themselves and they’ve been made into thinking that kind of way because of some fucked up personal history.
But I guess if you would still want to term it as a fetish, then it definitely isn’t to the degree of Latinas, black women, etc and although it would be degrading, it doesn’t have nearly the effects on white people as it does on PoC.
Me walking around, as a black male, having white girls fantasizing about how big my dick is, dehumanizing me and black men in general as just sex beasts and then the same with black women
white people were never degraded like that.
So its definitely not anywhere near the same degree but I wouldn’t even call it a fetish more than just ignorance and/or self hate.
Kinda disagree a lot if the black men I know who date white women fetish them to a degree very often seeing them as a trophy and or seeing them to be submissive as a woman that kind rubs me the wrong way.
Well yeah, I think that also plays into it. The point is, a lot of poc regard white people as better to date for a variety of reasons but a lot if it mainly comes down to this self-hate and holding white people on a pedestal they don’t deserve. Ultimately it’s a different dynamic than when a white person fetishizes a poc.
Plus it’s not the same in every part of the world, so yeah, I’m gonna say white women can be fetishized (not men tho), sometimes to the same degree as woc in say, the USA.
Interesting, I hadn’t considered that.
do you think anywhere in the globe a white woman won’t have her privilege? Do u really think that if you pick a place in the world and compared the experiences, you could say a white woman gets fetishized to the same degree?
This is ALWAYS where this convo goes. Always. It is fine to talk about the objectification and misogyny they experience. But white women won’t let us live. They won’t let us have ONE CONCEPT about the legacies of white supremacist thought. Ur not gonna tell a black indigenous person that “in other places they do get fetishized too so we need to 1)let them in our spaces and convos 2) let them have our specific terminology and discourse to further their ability to fetishize moc”
If you think the killing of moc by the behest of white women is a rarity outside of the US or colonial settler states??? I really can’t. And yknow, the “white allies” I’ve seen step up to the plate say they’re uncomfortable by this incessant desire to let white women into the fold of these discussions when it’s largely their GLOBAL existence that allows for the hyper and desexualization of woc all over.
I just can’t. I’m sick of white girls around me acting like we go through the same shit when it’s absolutely clear we do fucking not. I’m sick of white girls thinking they cant fetishize women of color!!! Like wth seriously are we living in a cis het world too? Is it impossible to fathom a white woman having the power to fetishize all poc??? Not just moc?!!
Same. White women are not fetishized the same way as WoC. The Black Men who believe that white women are trophies and more submissive think that way because of white supremacy not because of it’s them holding power over them and fetishizing them. Being submissive, and being seen as a trophy is tied to femininity, the word trophy “something shiny, beautiful, held in high regard.” When have Black Women ever been treated with those descriptions without having to first appeal to white beauty standards. “Submissive” This is associated with words such as soft, meek, delicate, precious, things that are viewed as the opposite of strong, harsh, rough etc. When have Black Women have ever been associated with the word of submissive unless it appeals to anti-blackness, and ultimately white supremacy. White Supremacist Patriarchy said that white women were submissive and were trophies, and treated those descriptors as good, when it was juxtaposed to Blackness.
White women have used the “submissive, and trophy” as privilege over Black Women because it plays into white womanhood, and white femininity. It was white women’s way of telling Black Women that they are not women, they are black beast. And so to spread this message that Black Men can oppress white women with the trademarks of white womanhood is false, racist, and is once again white women not owning their privilege and their racism they inflicted upon Black Men, and Black Women. Black Men did not spread the belief that white women were trophies and submissive that was white men.
White women have a history of going along by this description until the Anti-Black movement came along and white women realized that their precious white men didn’t consider “submission and trophy” as true power, and didn’t view them as equal. Thus them sparking suffrage movement which denied Black Women a place. Because Black Women were just negroes…black beasts, not women…not delicate…not meek…not soft…not submissive…not trophies…not anything but a void of humanity. White Women are not fetishized like WoC especially like Black Women. White women being able to be seen as a trophy, or as a submissive, or as a form of softness has been a privilege because of white supremacist patriarchy. period.
Is it possible to fetishize white people to the same degree they fetishize Latinas, black women, etc?
Taken from Hakim Jamal’s book “From the Dead Level: Malcolm X and Me” (page 180)
Cultures function by consensus.
White people, if you REALLY Not Like That,
Don’t be in MY face telling me with words.
SHOW ME by shutting down the white folks who ARE Like That.
But y’all won’t do that for SHIT, cause you still looking for me to tell you You’re A Good Person, Charlie Brown.
If you aren’t pulling Jane Elliots then get out of my face
"when she get naked for the first time "
If I had a drink for every fuck I give I’d be one sober mother fucker, but if I had a drink for every fuck I gave about her, I’d be intoxicated forever. I’d drink myself to death.